The Biden Administration has published a new rule that cracks down on gas furnaces in homes, essentially phasing out many existing models and requiring new ones to meet onerous standards. The Department of Energy now requires a 95% annual fuel efficiency standard, up from the 80% that was on the books before the new rule was published Friday.
New models will be mandatory by 2028, according to the Department of Energy, which says homeowners will save $100 a year on their utility bills. Some homes will require expensive retrofits to accommodate the requirements of the new furnaces.
The Energy Department says the rule will cut carbon emissions by 332 million metric tons, and methane emissions by 4.3 million tons over 30 years.
Furnace efficiency standards were last updated in 2007. Starting in 2028, residential gas furnaces must convert at least 95% of wasted energy into heat for the living space, accomplished through a secondary heat exchanger that capture excess heat from the furnace’s exhaust gases.
The upfront costs of these more efficient appliances are expected to be much higher, just as Energy Star rated appliances are more expensive. The average cost of a gas furnace in the United States is about $4,700.
The American Gas Association estimates the new regulation will remove 60% of current residential gas furnaces from the market.
With this rule, DOE has now issued proposed or final efficiency standards for 24 product categories so far this year, including gas cook stoves and washer-dryers. The rule goes into effect five years from date it is published in the Federal Register.
This may be part of the reason the EPA is arming up as noted in the previous article. To enforce these (and other) rules against recalcitrant home owners and climate change deniers.
You’re pretty far gone, Sir.
Tell that after the EPA comes to your house and rips out your heating system this winter in the dead of night at gunpoint.
If you agree with what this is mandating, perhaps you should find real estate in North Korea. Options are for Americans.
Extreme heat and air will install there most basic unit for a mere 15,000. I guess these low life politicians think we all have our own personal lobbiest padding our pockets. Fools!
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Extreme Heat and Air will install their most basic unit for a mere $15,000. I guess these low life politicians think we all have our own personal lobbyist padding our pockets. Fools!
This forum is not about spelling or punctuation. Are you one of those highly educated idiots I’ve been hearing so much about?
Actually, I didn’t understand the post until WTD corrected the spelling. It makes a difference.
Insomnia, ehh?
midwit behavior, bad dog
I am surprised that Joey and those that are actually running the Brandon Regime don’t require installion of the new furnaces by union labor and multiple inspections by the Sierra Club and the SEIU union. With these additions, Joey could increase the cost of mandatory furnace replacement up to $100,000 per home, with no measurable impact on global warming. I am sure they are working on it.
Give them time, give them time. Frogs are boiled slowly.
Please, no one tell him that some of us supplement with wood stoves.
This is why the EPA is arming themselves. Smoke from the chimney? SWAT team response. These new, efficient furnaces will be in short supply, very expensive, and I’d imagine of very poor quality. You’ll be replacing it in 3 years.
They can have my wood when they pry it from my hand! I know they usually do their raids about 0345 so, I’ll have some good morning wood for them to stomach when/if they come. But, all kidding aside, if the gov’ment wants to pay for my house to be rebuilt for a new furnace system, and the “funds” doesn’t go to some assembly, send me the check and I’ll think about it. Until then, my woodstove sure feeeels nice on a chilly mornin and will for the for seeable future.
Remember when, only a year ago, team Grandpa was swearing on the news they weren’t interested in gas appliances?
This is gonna keep happening until we revolt or cave. What comes next? Type of condoms? Brands of spinach? Outlawing tampons?
Don’t make the mistake of thinking they won’t. They will.
One of the reasons Trump appeals is his administration actually pushed back against this nonsense. Obama era lightbulb ban and showerhead flow restrictions were reversed, and I’m sure there were others, such as auto fuel requirements. This shocked the Democrats – which is why Biden’s handlers have ordered him to double down and go full steam ahead to restrict our consumer choices.
A great deal of the shrieking about Trump probably stemmed from this. Up to this point, Jeb Bush style Republicans dutifully just tend to go with the flow as the ‘bureaucratic ratchet’ tightens yet another notch. Trump actually worked to force it backwards – and in some areas temporarily succeeded. His willingness to do is a big part of the reason why the left needs him forcibly removed from the ballot, imprisoned – or worse.
Can’t argue that.
Does he not understand that the next admin will simply throw out stupid edicts? A lot of what he does doesn’t make sense but issues such as this are truly baffling and amount to nothing more than an 18 month inconvenience.
Maybe he thinks he has a real shot at another 4 years?
President Biden does not matter. He is just a puppet.
It is the vote fraud machine that installs the next puppet with a (D) after their name that is the problem. Do you really think that after 2020 and 2022 a conservative will sit in the Oval Office again? If they have happen to have a (R) after their name, they will be RINO or some other variant of leftist.
The next administration will not throw out anything, because it will just be another flavor of this administration.
And meanwhile leftists keep telling us this isn’t actually happening, just like the clown pulling the fire alarm and saying he pulled the fire alarm to open a door…
Amen. If we do not get these idiots out by voting, we will not have an America. They are hurting everyone but those that are wealthy enough to afford their crap
You may get 80% efficiency out of an older single stage furnace vs 95% out of the two stage newer furnaces. What MRAK is telling you that it is stupid to send $.04 out of every heating $ up the flue. You are much smarter to hate Biden, get an old furnace and send $.20 out of every $ in heating costs up the flue.
If a 95% efficient furnace saves me an average of $10 a month over an 80% efficient furnace but costs me an additional $1,000 then simple math tells us it will take 100 months or 8.3 years to break even. Sometimes spending less money upfront saves you money in the long run, sometimes it doesn’t. I’m guessing that spending an extra $10 a month for heating is much more affordable for most, especially since Vice President Kamala Harris said the quiet part out loud and let us know that Bidenomics has led to a point where “[m]ost Americans are a $400 unexpected expense away from bankruptcy.”
Close Steve-O. I put a new high efficiency direct combustion unit in a few years ago. My Enstar bill was cut in half. As you would expect my bill was more than $20 a month. It’s been running flawlessly since. It’s much quieter as well and doesn’t rely on a 6″ hole for combustion air.
Brian,
How much did that new high efficiency direct combustion unit cost? How many years will it take you to break even on your gas bill? You had a 6″ hole for combustion air, how big of a furnace did you have?
Brian, please share with us which make and model you purchased.
I would also like to see the bills from before and after. Month by month comparison.
Oh “Frank”…
What you’re ignoring is the unnecessary cost increases people will be forced to deal with.
And government has no business dictating to people how efficient their home heating has to be.
But facts are pesky things to you.
Standard efficiency boilers and furnaces are going to last 2-3x what a HE unit will (similar to an ICE vehicle versus an EV). Any actual positive effect for the environment gets quickly cancelled out when you have to replace the units 2-3x more often.
I have a high efficiency heater, the repair costs have far exceeded the cost savings in natural gas. Once again Frank you have shown your a$$ to the world.
Frank, ever notice how market forces drive innovation? For example, John D. Rockefeller didn’t need a Government Madate to sell his superior “coal oil”. It didn’t take a government moratorium on the practice of Whaling either. Nope, simple economics, folks switched to coal oil because it was a fraction of the cost of burning Whale Oil. Same principal holds true today.
Its not about saving money. Rather, it is about who gets to make the choice between high and lower efficiency appliances / furnaces / water heaters / etc. Does the consumer get to choose? Or does the political left do what they always do, cram their choices down the throats of the general public.
We went thru a little dance with high / low efficiency furnaces several years ago. Replaced the original 12-year old forced air furnace with a high efficiency furnace. It started acting up 5 years later. Died a year after that on a suitably cold night. No replacement parts available. Replaced it with a lower efficiency furnace which has been quite happy since we installed it. No appreciable change in the heating costs over the period outside the creeping increase in natural gas costs.
The new efficiency standards require more complex equipment that generally doesn’t work as well. The new designs also break down quicker, and need to be replaced perhaps twice as often, costs you government cheerleaders never consider, proving once again, the most expensive stuff in the world is free stuff. Cheers –
That is why we specifically recommend 95% high efficient furnaces to all democrat clients but we just leave out the part about not having the replacement control modules available in the event of a failure due to power surges or low voltage supply and Plumber Joe cant diagnose or repair without factory trained and authorized dealer supplied diagnostic equipment. Kind of like owning a Mercedes or BMW. Lots of onboard computers talking to each other wirelessly. (Joe scratches his head and heads out for an ice cream)
Another valuable feature we dont tell the lefty customers is the fact that not only will you not have heat but you will also be taking cold showers for the six weeks it takes to get those when Taiwan cant keep up with the demand. Same as when we couldnt buy new cars for 8 months. I was kind enough to let my neighbor use my basement shower until his parts arrived from France (thankfully it was summer and his house didnt freeze up.
If the brand name is long and hard to pronounce dont buy it.
We tell our friends to stick with “Old Faithful”
We are being run by elitist evil kingdom builders with themselves as the intended rulers. And I am not referring to our puppet in chief Biden. Climate is only a useful tool along with ‘feelings’, ‘identity’, ‘victimhood’, to name a few. It is all about power and control and they know exactly what they are doing. Many of those in Washington are likely too clueless to recognize their part in the intentional destruction of our nation and have been brainwashed into believing all the lies, foolishly thinking of themselves as saviors of the earth and ‘people groups’ as they champion the destructive policies.
Good luck with this. Shut down the government before this year is up because they are not doing us any favors. Government needs to be small, protecting us from foreign and domestic terrorists (which they are not doing since they are the enemy), and they should be doing the will of the people since they should be working for the people. Amazing how much the people are standing down and letting this foreign enemy dictate our lives in our country.
Wait a minute! Isn’t the Fairbank NS Borough’s IGU still trucking Cook Inlet natural gas to Fairbanks every day using an interest-free, no payments due for a decade or so, loan from the state? Last I knew the residential conversions to gas were years behind the forecast, and the planned conversion of the trucks from diesel to natural gas has been deemed unfeasible. Will this Biden move mean the state loan will not be repaid?
Eighty-one (81)percent voted for this individual? I am beginning to have a few doubts.
Considering how many people have died since he was placed in the White House I’m sure that number will go up.
# me too!
81 million, not 81%.
But with global warming, we won’t need our furnaces as much! Warming is a good thing.
As soon as you realize that “you” are the carbon they want to reduce, it all makes sense.
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Starve them, freeze them, prevent them from cooking, and the parasites, err…. I mean elites, can live their lives of luxury, with us losers as their staff/servants.
Just wait until they try to convince their sheeple that the solution to all of theie newly caused Leftist policy energy woes is….. MORE ABORTION!
They are already convinced that abortion will save humankind.
Eating bugs, that is a new one.
3D printed “meat” is on the way as well..
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The real trick will be convincing the sheeple that freezing in the dark is what’s best.
This as the interior is spooling up hard to get people away from heating oil. Hmmm, convenient.
The only way to drive the thermal efficiency up is to utilize an electric driven heat exchanger on the exhaust, which incorporates many more moving parts subject to failure and increasing your electric bill, thus negating any savings. A well serviced old school boiler made in America will last 100 years without taking up space at the landfill. And won’t make you broke with constant emergency repairs requiring a highly trained technician at 200 an hour plus the call-out fee. You are better off to put your money into insulation and turning down your thermostat to lessen your environmental impact as well as your heating bill.
Added bonus. The electrically driven heat exchanger uses… wait for it… Electricity! Which will offset any gains provided, in addition to the other bonuses you list.
Oh and by the way Frank we dont hate Biden….We have record profits from selling expensive new boilers and get a nice bonus from selling all the newer reliable boilers we are replacing to the smart customers. Its a win win for us!
Y’all don’t understand that it’s not about saving money in fuel costs; it’s about forcing an agenda upon people, weather they can afford it or not.
It’s also about reducing their “favorite” carbon producers. Us.
A new business opportunity in defunkifying your new boiler so it will work as well as your old one. Or selling the old boilers that some fool had removed as an “upgrade “. Been selling pre-Obama toilets to people who are tired of plunging and realize Alaska doesn’t have a water shortage. Gas ranges that work during a power outage are hot as well. Vehicles that don’t cost $800 to tune up and run on a computer are becoming very popular as well. The only thing that has progressed in the last 20-30 years is everybody’s inability to make their own repairs on the items we have grown to depend on. Throw it away and buy a new one every year. That really saves the environment.
I would love to get my hands on a stove with a pilot! If I am baking and the power goes out, my freaking oven shuts down. It is ridiculous. I used to be able to use the oven even in a power outage up until about the mid-2000s when I got that new stupid electronically-controlled range. Another big mistake in my life.
They toilets were never about saving water.
They were about saving the sewage system. Takes a lot more time to treat sewage that is mixed in with three gallons of water, than sewage mixed in with a gallon and a half of water.
Oh, just a reminder of this slippery slope we are on. Thanks for nothing Mary Peltola.
‘https://mustreadalaska.com/fish-family-but-no-freedom-to-cook-peltola-votes-against-americans-right-to-own-a-gas-kitchen-stove/
The same people who deleted the Cummins in my truck and the Doosan in my skid steer said they will come over and dry my firewood with a hair dryer if necessary. This is the same governmental bureaucracy that tries to designate my M1A an assault rifle so they can bury it with Feinstein. When the .223 Remington can handle a 157 grain bullet I’ll look at at buying one so I have a real assault rifle.
I think there too much we can learn about Earth Science. I have a hypothesis the Earth goes through seasons of warming and freezing when what we are calling climate change a warming across the earth affecting this life known. If we could live one hundred years later or three hundred years later the earth I think we would see it going through another cool down. Then those ahead of us if Christ return to close this church age of grace still hasn’t happened that those generations would be complaining about the colder and longer winter seasons. But then again I don’t know nothing about Earth Science either. Heheheheh since I hadn’t finished high school and the closest earth science I received was physical science when it didn’t talk about Earth like I would want. While all the current copies of Earth Science textbooks I perused it’s all about this climate change by todays climate change activists. I think todays published Earth Science textbooks would be a waste of time to read when its one sided climate activists environmentalism opinion. I think I’d have to find rare Earth Science books from before 1900.
I think there too much we can learn about Earth Science. I have a hypothesis the Earth goes through seasons of warming and freezing when what we are calling climate change a warming across the earth affecting this life known. If we could live one hundred years later or three hundred years later the earth I think we would see it going through another cool down. Then those ahead of us if Christ didn’t return to close this church age of grace still hasn’t happened that those generations would be complaining about the colder and longer winter seasons. But then again I don’t know nothing about Earth Science either. Heheheheh since I hadn’t finished high school and the closest earth science I received was physical science when it didn’t talk about Earth like I would want. While all the current copies of Earth Science textbooks I perused it’s all about this climate change by todays climate change activists. I think todays published Earth Science textbooks would be a waste of time to read when its one sided climate activists environmentalism opinion. I think I’d have to find rare Earth Science books from before 1900.
Hadn’t finished high school. Explains so much.
If you’d read a few science books you would spout fewer of your nonsensical ramblings about “church age of grace” or a comic book style hero from 2000 years ago. Educate yourself, Jasmine.
The rule goes into effect 2029 and doesn’t affect furnaces already in use. But I’m sure today I’ll run into one of you commenters down at Home Depot belloring to the crowds to get ready to have your furnace seized this winter. Nothing like keeping the dupes enraged all the time with these incomplete stories. I guess it keeps with the narrative Trump stated in Nevada – “I Love The Poorly Educated!” It seems like you’ve rounded up a fair share of them after reading these comments. On a side note, the reason the Greatest former President of all time doesn’t have a jury trial going in New York in his fraud case is that his astute Attorney failed to fill out the paperwork correctly. Only the best and the brightest. To avoid inducing any more catatonia to the readers I’ll leave out the John Kelly story.
Didn’t really read the story did you Seabass, the rule takes effect in 2028…but what you are trying to tell us as the dutiful leftist you are is that this isn’t actually happening, right, since it’s years away it doesn’t mean anything and we shouldn’t concern ourselves with it because we are all poorly educated…oh and for some reason because of Trump.
Correction – late 2028. Now maybe it’s time to bring up John Kelly’s disclosures about Trump smearing wounded/killed Veterans and POW’s. Just google John Kelly Donald Trump. You won’t see anything about it on Fox, OAN, or Newsmax. Best to keep them uninformed. But you need to be buying gold!
I’m game. Right after we discuss Biden’s multiple LLCs and how a career politician can become rich by serving in the Senate.
Whataboutism and “but Trump” deflections aren’t a game you want to play.
TMA – Biden didn’t call the 1800 Marines “suckers” for getting killed. That was Trump. So was – “Look, I don’t want any wounded guys in the parade.” That was Trump. And the LLC’s are keeping you up at night and not these anti-military statements from a guy who dodged the draft 5 times? Game on.
What everyone is trying to say is just let us cook, heat, and flush our toilet without government interference. How’s that grammar?
I got my Sarah Palin high efficency boiler for free from GOP program. yearly maintenance high costs due to moronic plumbers jackking up prices of labor. not too complicated to replace ignitors
thank you GOP for free heater saving me money, my enstar bill is $1100 a year. triple pane windows saved me more $$$$ than boiler, plus no Trumpers bellowing to hear
quit smoking, drinking and driving 3 ton pick ups. quit bitching or move. alaskans are pathetic now, light weights compared to the old timers. grow a pair or move on, 50% do every ten years
How exactly would the “old timers” handle the b.s. being thrown at Alaskans now cow?
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