Sexual conversion therapy ban bill has language that makes gender conversion of kids an exception

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Those kids who are feeling they might be gay but who want be heterosexual instead will have nowhere to turn to for help in Alaska, under a statute proposed by House Bill 43. The bill would ban a practice known by some as “conversion therapy,” in which therapists try to help people with gay proclivities pick a different direction for their lives.

Some forms of conversion therapy have appeared to be cruel and degrading, according to those who have undergone the therapy. It was described as generally unsuccessful by one man who sobbed as he testified by phone from New York City.

Rep. Sara Hannan of Juneau is the sponsor of HB 43; she presented it to the House Health and Social Services Committee last week.

Anchorage Assembly passed a similar “Don’t Say Straight” law, prohibiting licensed mental health practitioners and others from subjecting LGBTQ minors to what LGBTQ advocates say are harmful conversion “therapy” practices.

HB 43 specifically excludes therapies for those who want to change their gender outward appearance and take chemical hormones to grow attributes of the opposite gender, such as female breast tissue or male body hair.

“This subsection does not apply to counseling that provides support and assistance to an individual undergoing gender transition or counseling that provides acceptance, support, and understanding of an individual or facilitates an individual’s coping, social support, and identity exploration and development, including sexual orientation-neutral interventions to prevent or address unlawful conduct or unsafe sexual practices, or counseling that does not seek to change sexual orientation or gender identity,” the bill reads.

Further, it describes gender identity as an individual’s actual or perceived gender-related identity, appearance, mannerisms, or other gender-related characteristics without regard to the person’s designated sex at birth.”

HB 43 would prohibit physicians, physician assistants, psychiatrists, psychologists, psychological associates, and other “practitioners of the healing arts” licensed by the state from treating a person under the age of 18 or a vulnerable adult with a therapy or regimen that seeks to change their sexual orientation or gender identity.

From the description, this would have to include hormone therapy that is being given to children to block puberty, so they can have a “sex change” operation when they are of age, which is a variable standard across the country. But it does not include gender transition in the ban. It only bans therapy that is not entirely supportive of gay behaviors.

What would the difference between gender transition counseling and conversion therapy be?” asked Rep. Jesse Sumner of Rep. Hannan, whose aide, Hunter Meachum, answered the question:

“So the bill details what conversion therapy is and it also states what therapies are going to be acceptable … Conversion therapy is defined as a therapy or regimen that seeks to change the individuals’ sexual orientation or gender identity, including efforts to change behavior or gender expression, or reduce or eliminated sexual or romantic attraction or feelings towards a person of the same gender. This subsection does not apply to counseling that provides support and assistance to an individual undergoing gender transition or counseling that provides acceptance, support and understanding of an individual, or facilitates an individual’s coping, social support, and identity exploration and development.”

In other words, it’s only ok to counsel someone to undergo gender transition, not to counsel them against it.

Rep. Jesse Sumner then raised a sticky question of Hannan: “So if you’re not to have counseling that is supposed to affect somebody’s attraction or feelings towards a person of the same gender, but then in the second section you say you can change their gender, you’d have to also change the gender they’re attracted to, because they wouldn’t, your gender…you’re transitioned and you’re a new gender, right? And so you would no longer be attracted to somebody of the same gender if you were before? I mean, I guess I’m a little confused.”

He continued, “Is it the intent of the patient or…because I could also see issues with that because a child might be convinced to go along with a conversion therapy….I mean maybe I need to read this a few more times.”

Hannan answered as carefully as she could: The ban would be on attempting to say ‘you’re not,’….the vernacular of conversion therapy has been traditionally used primarily around kids coming out as gay versus kids transitioning….trans kids. This is not a bill, nor an attempt to restrict therapists who are supporting trans kids in, [stammer] who are supportive of trans kids. It’s only if it’s attempting to convert someone …yeah.”

The bottom line, it appears, is that only gender transitioning therapy is good for kids, while counseling them to not act on certain sexual impulses will be against the law if HB 43 passes.

A federal court in Florida recently ruled that a similar ordinance in Tampa is illegal because it is an abridgment of the First Amendment.

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  1. How about counseling them to not have sex until they are adults and married? Is that still going to be okay? Or do we have to make every kid pick a “gender” and then act out on it like a bunch of crazed weasels? Just askin’.

  2. So, don’t help someone with a sexual perversion, unless it’s a sexual perversion you want them to have? What kind of reasoning is that?

  3. The entire LGBTQ movement is to legitimize homosexuality. Homosexuality is a pathological condition created by severe confusion, whether by genetic dysfunction or by sociological conditioning from outside sources. Homosexuality has been in our society for millenia, but it has only been a political force of reckoning in the past several decades. Nature employs these quirks for reasons not completely understood. Politics advances them for purposes of dominion and ideological transformation. The end goal is to be accepting of a mental illness to the point where it is totally normalized in society. That way, a cure no longer has reason to be searched for. The tactical goal of the homosexual Left is to place non-conforming heterosexual ideologues into an indefensible minority and make them the oddballs. The only way to repel this assault on our society is by sheer recognition of the problem and addressing it through education and the family.

    • Well said Dr. Dan. You only left out one critical truth: your sex, and by any normal sense of understanding your gender, is not “assigned” – it is determined by your chromosomes at conception.
      As for the comment that “conversion therapy” doesn’t work… There are a large number of former homosexuals in Alaska that are former because of the ministry of Jerry Prevo at Anchorage Baptist Temple. Perhaps the bill’s sponsors should speak with some of them. The psychopathology of sexual perversions demands that others accept them not only as “normal” but as somehow superior. In your face “pride”…
      The hypocrisy of banning therapy one direction while demanding sponsorship in the opposite goes without saying. I for one am sick of the “celebration” and demands for access to children.

      • Sure Rich. Just how many is a large number of formers turned around by Prevo? I know the answer: it’s zero.

        Christians are obsessed by sex. You must meddle in how sex occurs, with whom, why, who to love. Stay outa my business.

        • Stay away from my kids! That’s my message to LGBTQ. If you mess with them, even at the library, you will pay dearly.

      • They aren’t “former” anything. They’re lying to themselves and you want it to be true, but it isn’t. That’s like saying a black person can be converted into not being black anymore.

    • I’m assuming the “Dr.” in your title is a symbolic one because your post shows a deep well of ignorance. You would have people ignore their nature and/or punish them for it. Pretty disgraceful since it doesn’t impact your life at all.

    • You could not possibly be more wrong. Being gay or transgender has absolutely nothing to do with confusion, as you want to claim. There is far too much credible medical evidence readily available for anyone willing to take the time to read it that supports the notion that there is a biological basis for LGBTQ births for conservatives to deny it.

  4. Getting real tired of middle aged single liberal White women and people pretending they aren’t hotdog factory accident victims telling the rest of society what the problem is.

  5. There still be the Word Alaskan youth can turn to for help. But! Depends how many sowers sow His Word and how its
    sowed, so youth and their families have a chance hearing it. The Word and the Church are is still here we don’t need despair. Parents still should pull their kids from any schools that negetively impact a child’s behavior. When we became parents we agreed to make professional and personal sacrifices.

    • P.s… I do feel for my single momma and single daddy christians who after other bills paid can’t put their child in a private school or quit work to homeschool. But! our Lord he prayed and taught his dicsiples how we ought to pray, so christians who “can’t” get away can pray correctly sending their child with a hedge around his mind, heart, body, and spirit; cause there is an order that determines a prayer effective. and Don’t neglect attending a church. If can’t attend church because of uncomfortablness or time then at least a family can hear the local radio
      christian station as a start. For anchorage its katb 89.3 fm, then the
      child can carry any tidbit biblical instruction with him into school.

    • That’s exactly what “conversion therapy” attempts to do, force someone to deny their nature. Oh the irony of your comment.

  6. Planned Parenthood has absolutely NO business in schools. Puberty blockers should not be given to any minor, even with parental consent. Minors are too vulnerable to allow manipulation by teachers, friends, parents, etc. to promote this WOKE agenda that is designed to destroy families and humanity. Look what happens when a child commits suicide. How many copycat suicides follow? We don’t need gender conversion copycats either. Everyone must acknowledge, you can’t get eggs from a rooster or milk from a bull. Genes determine gender not how you dress or look. Drag queens have no business in schools.

    All Alaskan schools must turn focus back on actual education (no more indoctrination) that creates critical thinkers, ethical leaders, professionals, trades and crafts. Reign in the teacher’s union. Get rid of common core and the rest of the woke agenda. Hire teachers that want to teach and not push an agenda. Get more parents to take an active role in their child’s education. Children are our future and should not be used to promote a WOKE agenda. No more mind control manipulation of children!!!!

    An old Pink Floyd song comes to mind; Another Brick in the Wall Part 2- By Roger Waters

    We don’t need no education
    We don’t need no thought control
    No dark sarcasm in the classroom
    Teachers leave those kids alone
    Hey! Teachers! Leave them kids alone!
    All in all it’s just another brick in the wall.
    All in all you’re just another brick in the wall.

    We don’t need no education
    We don’t need no thought control
    No dark sarcasm in the classroom
    Teachers leave them kids alone
    Hey! Teachers! Leave those kids alone!
    All in all it’s just another brick in the wall.
    All in all you’re just another brick in the wall.

    ‘Wrong, Do it again!’
    ‘If you don’t eat yer meat, you can’t have any pudding. How can you
    have any pudding if you don’t eat yer meat?’
    ‘You! Yes, you behind the bikesheds, stand still laddy!’

  7. Maybe someone in Juneau, Anchorage, Fairbanks could open a bar with vaudeville acts including drag queens as that is where that type of entertainment belongs. Something like the Anchorage well known Spenard Fly By Night Club. How many people took small children to see Whale Fat Follies? It was entertaining but a little on the vulgar side and not appropriate for minors.

    For all those that are interested in having their kids exposed to that type of entertainment including drag queens dancing and singing could take their kids to that bar. Vaudeville type acts have absolutely no place in elementary schools or any other type of school unless it would be a college of theatrical arts.

    vaudeville-noun
    vaude·​ville ˈvȯd-vəl ˈväd-, ˈvōd-, -ˌvil ˈvȯ-də- ˈvä-, ˈvō-
    1. a light often comic theatrical piece frequently combining pantomime, dialogue, dancing, and song
    2. stage entertainment consisting of various acts (such as performing animals, comedians, or singers)

  8. Ludicrous. Truth would be ‘you’re not’. Lies are you can be something ‘you’re not’. This bill upholds and bolsters the lies, mental illness and suffering. The gender confusion is most invariably a symptom of a bigger problem affecting identity and a person suffering in such a way should be free to seek the counseling and therapy they desire. This bill takes away from the patient’s rights to do so, as well as hinders actually healing. HB 43 is ‘regressive’ and agenda driven.

  9. The corrupt and desiccated political class in this state needs to be purged as exemplified by the authoritarian Rep. Sara Hannan of Juneau.

        • All this is is one legislator proposing a bill that may/may not get anywhere near passing and you think any bill proposal is something on the order of authoritarian, or is it just the bills that you don’t like that you think authoritarian and evil?
          Get a grip here as you are clearly out to lunch-and tough noogies to you, too.

  10. Umm, I thought letting Democrats lead committees in an elected Republican majority would only happen if they would leave the hot button issues alone. Hmmm, looks like the whole bunch of them are complicit and liars. With the exception of Hughes and Eastman of course, however they are simply excluded from everything although duly elected. How’s that right?

  11. It’s called mental retardation. Anyone who thinks they can take pills and have “conversion therapy” to become a male, or a female is blasphemy of the highest kind. These are sick, twisted individuals who think they can do this then pop into a girl’s locker or swim team when they feel like it.
    All this takes, is a big push back with a firm No and refusing to be paid to CONFORM.
    Men are men all day long, just as females are females.
    Its what they call a no brainer!

  12. Why is government trying to involve itself in any of this? Why are we allowing government to decide what sexual orientation is preferable over another? It wasn’t long ago that those in the gay rights movement wanted government out of their bedrooms, now they are inviting government not only into their bedrooms but into their very thoughts.

    Taken to the logical extreme, since we can now choose which sex we identify with and we can also decide which race we identify with, are we going to have a government that decides which race is preferable over the other? The authoritarians on the extremes of the left and right who value government control over all else should be banished from attempting to rule over us.

  13. Come on, it’s “early childhood development”. It’s giving them a “headstart”. You didn’t abort them so now “the village” takes over.

  14. Just another step in the “progressive’s” march toward removing all interpersonal relationships. Destroy the relationship between parent and child. Replace it with child to all-powerful State.
    .
    As soon as you realize they are trying to make everyone love the State first and foremost, the more their actions make sense.

  15. Statutes were replaced with international law December 9, 1945 via the International Organization Immunities Act which relinquished every public office of the United States to the United Nations. All Public Offices are occupied by unregistered foreign agents, subcontractors serving foreign interests. Corporations have no sovereign powers. 22 O.S.C.A. e The State of Alaska is a public corporation AS 45 77 020(3) Duns #078198985. Sovereignty resides in the living people. Why would any true American obey the copyrighted, privatized codes, rules, regulations of foreign corporations. It’s like Walmart telling us we have to do this or that when we are not even in their store. 22 U.S.C. section 617 says these corporate officers can be held liable. And the Clearfield Doctrine clearly states – governments that incorporate have no sovereign powers. All corporations are property of the Roman Curia. They don’t even belong to us.

  16. So terrible. I love Alaska but it’s following the trash and garbage sent up from San Francisco and Seattle. We have some sick individuals here in Juneau and I hope to get out of here soon. Is that the solution? No, I really feel terrible for parents, especially those who have recently migrated, thinking they came here for a better life for themselves and their children.

  17. Those who hold conservative views seem to be unaware of the difference between trying to force someone to be someone they are not. Individual beliefs have nothing to do with the fact that some people are not straight or cisgender. Unwanted or not, if someone has been born with same sex attractions there is no way to change it. The sexual orientation of people is hardwired into our brains in the womb and it is not possible to change it, no matter how hard we try. LGBTQ people have been present in human kind throughout all of history. We’re a biological reality and we’re not going anywhere.

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