By KELLY TSHIBAKA
The controversy surrounding abortion reached a fever pitch after the Supreme Court’s decision in Dobbs v Jackson, which determined that abortions protected by Roe v. Wade were a decision for the states to make, not the federal government. In Alaska, abortions are allowed all the way up to the moment of birth. Twenty-one other states have implemented restrictions on abortion, such as a ban after 12-weeks of pregnancy.
The Court’s decision has been a huge victory for pro-life advocates across America. One advocate, Marjorie Dannenfelser, recently joined STAND with Kelly and Niki Tshibaka to discuss this critical issue and the tension surrounding it. Once an ardent proponent of the woman’s right to choose abortion, Dannenfelser has done a complete 180 in her views. Now the president of Susan B. Anthony Pro-Life America, Dannenfelser works tirelessly to defend the rights of the unborn.
When asked about what changed her mind, Dannenfelser listed a couple of key reasons. The first was that her questions were unsatisfactorily answered by abortion advocates. “I could not get past the question ‘what is that thing being taken out of a woman’s body?’”, Dannenfelser recalled. “If this is an actual person, with perhaps moral standing…then you’d better at least pause. And the pause is what happened to me…it tested the theory ‘my body, my choice’.”
Another notable factor that led to her perspective shift was how pro-life proponents listened to her opinion during debates. Dannenfelser explained that people who listen well during the abortion debate often plant seeds in their opponent’s mind that may come to fruition later—much like what happened to her.
Her change of heart did not occur immediately, but once it did, Dannenfelser became a massive mover-and-shaker for the pro-life movement, stating, “when I knew I’d been so wrong, I used my skills…to really start building the political arm of the pro-life movement, which I thought was the most important thing missing when fighting Roe v. Wade.” Dannenfelser is now considered one of the most influential leaders in America’s pro-life movement.
Dannenfelser’s story is certainly inspirational, but how are we to plant these seeds when the conversation surrounding abortion often becomes emotion-packed, personal, and pointless? Is her story the exception or the rule? She provided insight into these concerns, offering tips on navigating the abortion debate.
“Number one, listen well…You do not have to contradict everything a person says. Then I would say…provide a pathway to continue the conversation…this is almost always about a life lived and someone who wants a life lived well.”
In other words, the best way to change hearts and minds is by actively listening to the person you’re debating, providing an avenue to continue the conversation, and remembering that their perspective is likely stemming from a place of personal experience. By following this advice, Dannenfelser revealed, you will plant seeds of doubt in their minds that may come to fruition at a later point in time.
By keeping our sights on the big picture, rather than getting caught up in the heat of the moment, we are better positioned to make a lasting difference in the abortion debate. Change comes with time, patience, and incremental progress. Oftentimes, we don’t get to see the long-term results of our actions or conversations, yet that hardly pales in comparison to the knowledge that what we do today will impact the stories and lives of tomorrow.
If you’d like to hear more about Marjorie Dannenfelser’s experience battling abortion and fighting for pro-life legislation, you won’t want to miss the newest episode of STAND. You can also view the episode on YouTube, Rumble, and your podcast streaming platform.
Kelly Tshibaka is the host of the podcast, TV, and radio show STAND, and the 2022 Alaska Republican candidate for U.S. Senate. She co-hosts the show with her husband, Niki Tshibaka.
