Carbon crazy 101: Rep. Andrew Gray thinks there could be a GoFundMe account to keep oil in the ground in Alaska

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Suzanne Downing
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Carbon credits are hard to understand. But after an hour and 45 minutes of explanation from the Department of Natural Resources, Rep. Andrew Gray was no clearer to understanding them. He said he wants the state to set up a sort of GoFundMe account that would keep Alaska’s oil in the ground.

At the end of a presentation by the Department of Natural Resources to the House Ways and Means Committee, Gray said that if carbon credits are going to work, Alaska needs to threaten to cut down trees if it’s going to get paid to not cut them.

Then, Gray suggested that Alaska needs to set up a crowd-sourcing fund to get paid to not tap its massive oil reserves. People from all over the world would gladly pay into the fund, and Alaska could fund its government with that, he said.

“Coming out of this idea that we might be able to get paid to not cut down trees that we weren’t going to cut down anyway, I kind of have the ultimate CCUS [Carbon Capture, Usage and Storage]: Is it possible under some circumstance for us to get paid not to take oil out of the ground? And my brief sort of crazy idea is to just sort of, if we did it like a GoFundMe, there’s so many environmentalists around the world that we could potentially set up a charge, to fund our government, to be paid not to drill oil. If we had people, if we had 100 billion in the ground, and we divide it up how much that would be over time, that we could potentially get paid not to drill. Do people talk about that? Is that possible?” Rep. Gray said.

John Crowther, deputy commissioner of the Department of Natural Resources, was polite: “Rep. Gray, through the chair, I don’t think we’ve heard those kinds of proposals,” he said.

The presentation on carbon credits and Rep. Gray’s suggestions can be viewed at this link.

The exchange between Gray and Crowther illustrates how difficult it is for many people to understand the world of carbon capture, credits, and storage.

Background on the carbon bills from Gov. Mike Dunleavy

Alaska Gov. Mike Dunleavy introduced legislation to help the state can make money off of the carbon trading market. Senate Bill (SB) 48, SB 49, House Bill (HB) 49, and HB 50, the Dunleavy Carbon Management and Monetization Bill Package, creates statutory and regulatory framework needed so the State can take advantage of this growing sector. The package consists of two bills that would create a carbon offset program; and a carbon capture, utilization, and storage program.

Carbon Offset Program

SB 48 and HB 49 establish a statewide carbon offset program through forest sequestration within the Department of Natural Resources. Many of the forested lands in Alaska are not even commercially viable because of their size or location, but through a carbon offset program, they have the potential to generate additional revenue for the State of Alaska through biologic carbon storage projects that can mitigate a portion of the carbon dioxide emitted into the atmosphere.

Current statutes do not allow for carbon offset projects. The carbon offset program bill seeks to grant DNR the ability to establish a carbon offset program and enable carbon offset projects on state lands. The carbon offset program would allow private entities to lease state land to undertake carbon offset programs to meet their company goals of becoming net-zero for carbon emissions.

Carbon Capture, Utilization and Storage

SB 49 and HB 50 are part of the State’s efforts to get revenue from vast underground storage it has for carbon dioxide that is a byproduct of oil and gas project. The carbon dioxide can be injected into underground caverns and geologic formation and can be used to force out more oil, or just store the carbon dioxide.

Alaska’s older oil and gas basins, particularly in Cook Inlet, have the right geology to sequester carbon underground. Cook Inlet has been identified as one of the top spots on earth with the ability to sequester carbon underground — with at least 50 gigatons of capacity, the governor’s office said.

This bill specifically creates new authorities for State agencies to license, lease, and administer the State’s pore space for geological storage; administer pipeline infrastructure for transportation of captured carbon to geological storage facilities and administer injection wells and carbon storage facilities; and protect correlative rights of all subsurface owners.

Alaska Native corporations are already making money on carbon trading. “They’ve realized about $350 million on 350,000 acres of land. So that’s a small example, and there’s projects such as this ongoing in the Lower 48 with private landowners as well,” Dunleavy said earlier this month.

“Carbon management will complement—and in some cases enhance—Alaska’s existing industries like forestry, oil and gas, mining, tourism, and outdoor recreation,” said DNR Commissioner John Boyle. “These bills do not lock up State land, rather, they unleash new opportunities. Carbon offset projects will not prevent mineral development, timber harvests, new oil and gas exploration, or infrastructure development. Land within the carbon offset program area will still be available for hunting, fishing, camping and recreational activities for Alaskans and visitors.”Conventional resource development companies operating in Alaska stand to benefit in multiple ways from a strong State carbon management regulatory framework. These companies can use carbon credits to offset their carbon emissions, creating new opportunities.” 

“In Alaska, we are blessed with the resources of today, but we’re also blessed with the resources of tomorrow,” Dunleavy said. “With support from the Legislature for our carbon management bill package, we’ll change the conversation about new revenue. We’ve been told by some that we can generate revenue in the billions over 20 years just from our forest lands. This represents the means to fund services, lower the cost of living and improve our quality of life, to create wealth and billions of dollars in economic activity without taxing Alaskans or eliminating the PFD.” 

Environmentalists are not on board. Many of them see it as a way of delaying the conversion to renewable energy, and they don’t want to monetize nature.

But for the State of Alaska, getting Alaska’s natural gas to a market like Japan may depend on being able to show the Japan government, which is very sensitive to lowering the nation’s carbon footprint, that Alaska can sell space to store the natural gas byproducts like carbon dioxide, making Alaska a more attractive supplier. Such a framework for carbon storage may be the key to being able to build the Alaska gasline, supporters say, if Alaska can demonstrate that it can also provide the means to mitigate the carbon from natural gas.

27 COMMENTS

    • Yes and we can’t seam to fix it so I think all the climate scaredy cats should lead the way and not use any fossil fuels or and product made by fossil fuels. The lefts problem is they know it’s false science so they won’t lead their own plan they want to drag us sensible people down with them. I challenge them all to lead and not follow. They won’t because they all need fossil fuels. Hypocrites they are so.

  2. I thought big mike was against Diversity Inclusion Equity Black Rock woke capitalism guess The Peltolas are running the state now with spineless mike as the figure head

  4. “Coming out of this idea that we might be able to get paid to not cut down trees that we weren’t going to cut down anyway, I kind of have the ultimate CCUS [Carbon Capture, Usage and Storage]: Is it possible under some circumstance for us to get paid not to take oil out of the ground? And my brief sort of crazy idea is to just sort of, if we did it like a GoFundMe, there’s so many environmentalists around the world that we could potentially set up a charge, to fund our government, to be paid not to drill oil. If we had people, if we had 100 billion in the ground, and we divide it up how much that would be over time, that we could potentially get paid not to drill. Do people talk about that? Is that possible?” Rep. Gray said.

    A majority of people in his district voted for this guy!

  5. The guy’s an ignorant lunatic. He’s suggesting we follow the government’s plan of paying farmers NOT to grow crops – without tax payer’s money to do it. I don’t know if that’s still a thing but maybe someone in here knows. Anyone (Mr. Gray) who doesn’t want hydrocarbon development in Alaska needs to pack their bags and head outta’ state. Without oil, many people wouldn’t be here as it directly – and indirectly – effects nearly every job. I don’t know what brought Gray up here prior to becoming a politician; maybe he was a stay-at-home-mom so he and his husband didn’t have to send their poor kid(s) to day care.

  6. I am convinced the current trend of electing gays to office will come to an abrupt end inside of 5 years. It will be part of the cultural blowback from drag queens and the excesses of the Biden era.

    I’ve felt for some time many (not all, certainly) of progressive voters, when face with a choice, check the box of the most intersectional person. Not in spite of said candidates personal issues but because of them.

    I voted for the black, gay, homeless, drag queen. Aren’t I special?

    Thing is, trends like this usually burn out fast. Then the new fad hits and being black, gay, homeless, drag queen doesn’t cut it anymore.

  9. There is already a practical method of carbon sequestration. Logging and home construction. But I suppose it’s more appealing to not work and sit and wait for the government checks.

    • I agree Ben,
      We have already approached the cliff to becoming a welfare state. This would probably push us over the edge.
      Maybe I`m old school, but I like working for a living.
      We are a resource state. Let’s act like it. If not we become sheep waiting for our master to feed & house the masses.

  12. “There must, therefore, be one standard by which all commodities are measured. This standard is in fact demand, which holds everything together (for if people had no needs, or needs on a different scale, there could be no exchange, or else it must be on different lines); but by a convention demand has come to be represented by money. This is why money is so called, because it exists not by nature, but by custom, and it is in our power to change its value or render it useless.”
    –Aristotle

  17. I have an idea how to help the state make money off of the carbon trading market. Do not get involved in this fashionable foolishness (including carbon capture and carbon storage). Instead figure out ways to deliver cheap, abundant and affordable fossil fuels that the world needs and will continue to need for some time to come.

  18. I like this. An Alaskan ‘GoFundMe’ to not mine, cut or drill, paid for by eager environmentalists WORLDWIDE, that want to “save Alaska”
    A PFD check every month!
    This guy should be governor.

  19. After reading the article I have an entirely different take on Grey’s comments. I do not know the guy but it sounded more to me like he was being a little bit satirical, mocking the whole carbon credit idea with something more ludicrous. The whole carbon credit, paying to not produce, is ridiculous and designed by the climate cult. Or maybe not? Maybe it is a way to capitalize on all the foolishness? Albeit if Grey was indeed earnestly sincere, then shame on his constituents.

    • In the way that David Eastman was being satirical, perhaps, but we can only take things on face value, apparently. – sd

  20. So essentially he wants Alaskan children to move out of the state because the only industries that will exist will be either those managing entitlement programs, correctional officers, or low wage retail and tourism jobs.

    There is hardly anything that will dry up birth rates faster than lack of opportunity.

    Of course it won’t slow down the trailer parks residents’ birth rates.

    • Living in manufactured housing units is a viable alternative for those who cannot, or do not want to, pay $3K per month in rent. Does living in said mfg home make one a lesser being? Please explain.

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